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  • O/T: Cranes falling over. New construction falling over.

    What happened to proper practices? New Orleans with that tragic building ordeal.

    Its like we have fallen into the dark ages when we only inspect build sites as needed.

    Sad.. JR

    Solly. I do not know how to spell.

    Construction.
    Last edited by JRouche; 10-12-2019, 11:34 PM.

  • #2
    It isn't just inspection that has become lax.

    There are more engineers making it through engineering school who should not.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by wyop View Post
      It isn't just inspection that has become lax.

      There are more engineers making it through engineering school who should not.
      I disagree with you there. Engineering courses have if nothing become more difficult.

      I dont blame the schools.

      I blame the City that the build or move permit was pulled from.

      Think smaller, not larger. JR

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      • #4
        Drone footage of the destruction-

        https://youtu.be/ZP4tbb8omHc

        Not a crane collapse, structural collapse, that's light framing for a building that size IMO.
        I just need one more tool,just one!

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        • #5
          Corruption is likely involved. Sub par materials, cutting corners, corporate greed, poor worker training and supervision, low pay, etc. Engineering may also be at fault, as it was in the FSU bridge collapse. Could also have been sabotage. It is scary to see how extensive the damage was. Looks like the concrete broke totally off the rebar, which would indicate an improper mixture, bad composition, or insufficient curing time.

          https://www.dailywire.com/news/build...source=twitter



          https://wtop.com/national/2019/10/ho...ans-collapses/
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          • #6
            Video of the collapse-

            https://youtu.be/C5_UtZWK1aw

            Poor bastard in red running across the street doesn't make it
            I just need one more tool,just one!

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            • #7
              Oops. I should have told the entire story, I thought it was current. So in a very tightly packed LA town a very long and heavy crane fell over. The damage from 1-100 was on a 2. I thought it was National. Solly.

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              • #8
                It looked like the side of the building peeled off.
                At the end of the project, there is a profound difference between spare parts and left over parts.

                Location: SF East Bay.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JRouche View Post
                  Oops. I should have told the entire story, I thought it was current. So in a very tightly packed LA town a very long and heavy crane fell over. The damage from 1-100 was on a 2. I thought it was National. Solly.
                  Oh,you mean this one?

                  https://www.foxla.com/video/612772

                  Looks like the crane's outrigger found a storm drain, should have used mats/cribbing.
                  I just need one more tool,just one!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by wierdscience View Post
                    Oh,you mean this one?

                    Looks like the crane's outrigger found a storm drain, should have used mats/cribbing.
                    Yes that one. The operator is prolly at fault. over reaching. Glad no homes or peeps got squished. JR

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JRouche View Post
                      I disagree with you there. Engineering courses have if nothing become more difficult.

                      I dont blame the schools.

                      I blame the City that the build or move permit was pulled from.

                      Think smaller, not larger. JR

                      I've talked with many younger engineers. You're wrong. The graduation rate has gone up, and they're not flunking out people who should have been flunked out.

                      When I was in engineering school, only about half of the people who went into the engineering programs made it to graduation. Now, at many engineering schools, over 80% graduate. That's not because the incoming students have gotten smarter. In my time in industry, I interviewed hundreds of candidates. There was one day when our HR department brought in eight candidates from Stanford with 4.0's. All of them were bounced to the curb by the end of the day - most of them for lying on their resume's, but several who clearly didn't know what they claimed to know. It was absurd.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PStechPaul View Post
                        Corruption is likely involved. Sub par materials, cutting corners, corporate greed, poor worker training and supervision, low pay, etc. Engineering may also be at fault, as it was in the FSU bridge collapse. Could also have been sabotage. It is scary to see how extensive the damage was. Looks like the concrete broke totally off the rebar, which would indicate an improper mixture, bad composition, or insufficient curing time.

                        https://www.dailywire.com/news/build...source=twitter



                        https://wtop.com/national/2019/10/ho...ans-collapses/
                        That's the one I was looking at. That's going to be a heck of an investigation, because someone is going to have to go up into that mess that's still standing and figure out what is wrong. The concrete certainly looks to have failed here, just peeling off the rebar like that.

                        The FSU bridge collapse is one where I'm still waiting for the verdict to come out on the engineering. That structure was poorly designed with single points of failure from the get-go. NOLA has a rep as a very corrupt town - when I visited there in the 80's, the locals took pains to explain how corrupt their local government/police/courts were, something I found strange for locals to be telling tourists within 10 minutes of meeting them.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wierdscience View Post
                          Oh,you mean this one?

                          https://www.foxla.com/video/612772

                          Looks like the crane's outrigger found a storm drain, should have used mats/cribbing.
                          Nope! The crane pivoted over on the outrigger pads as you can see at the 24 second mark. It's 100% operator error.

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXURWS0tue0
                          Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada

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                          • #14
                            the city? regulations? lol. When there's a technical fail its engineering and or operators. The city is good for taxing, roadblocks and red tape. They'd say essentially they're there (in theory) to protect the public from bad operators/engineering, but if something falls over, its because of bad operators/engineering. Its a stamped engineered drawing that says whats to be done and operators/trades et al who do it in accordance with the drawing.

                            All of them were bounced to the curb by the end of the day - most of them for lying on their resume's
                            That's disturbing, the lying. Here engineering school remains difficult to get into and hard to stay in....however like any professional degree it gives you the basics, its what you learn after it that makes you engineer. I've had fresh graduates think a dotted line on a drawing was a guy wire and didn't know what HSS (hollow structural section) was. Do I look down on them for it? No, they are brilliant young people with amazing abilities to solve problems and design; you can hardly expect them to learn everything in 4 years. Here the PEng takes years to get after graduating, aside from the time period for gaining experience, the test is primarily around ethics and professionalism, i.e. you don't stamp a drawing if you are not really qualified in that area.

                            There's a lot of buildings bridges and construction projects out there, and while one toppling over is one too many, it doesn't exactly feel like the wheels are falling of the cart, imo (here at least)
                            Last edited by Mcgyver; 10-13-2019, 10:32 AM.
                            in Toronto Ontario - where are you?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Arcane View Post
                              Nope! The crane pivoted over on the outrigger pads as you can see at the 24 second mark. It's 100% operator error.

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXURWS0tue0
                              Either way it would have been operator error, but to tip one just setting a 40 foot wooden light pole, he must have been way outside the chart for that one.
                              I just need one more tool,just one!

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