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  • #31
    PSDKen;
    i looked last night and more than 2 are in bankruptcy. and a lot of others have gone the way of the wild goose. is this because of bad management or an indicator that the airline business is a bad business to get into?
    every time i fly (3 to 6 times a year) i see a crowded airport and crowded airplanes. very few times do i fly where unouccipied seats are open. usally on a flight from nashville to orlando where arrivial is at 11:00 pm.
    Orlando's airport has been in the process of a major expansion for the last 3~5 years. is this because airlines are cutting back on service? or are more people are flying? i think the latter, no i know that for a fact. when i take my wife to the airport it is busier.
    if busier is an indicator of larger then i must be seeing more people flying and if more people are flying the airlines must be making money somewhere, right?
    at Orl. there used to be 10 carriers now there are about 40. do these business' increase to lose money? i dont think so!
    im not trying to be a smart ass but when i got to seaworld and see 10+ aircraft sitting to take off, im sorry there is money sitting there, capital that is being leased from someone, salries for pilots and waitstaff, groung support personell, air traffic controllers etc. MONEY MONEY MONEY you cant miss it.
    i have signed off on flight hardware and ground support equiptment for many years. today a CNC will produce more parts in a day than 10 men could in a week on conventional equiptment. more money where does it come from and where does it go?
    the machinist' i know make a good living and so do the CNC shopwners but none live on the Riveria.
    so one must surmise that its a shell game wherein someone is making a LOT of $$$$ and tries to cover everything by periodically filing for re-org until they have bled the cash from the cow then its off to the slaughter house...jim
    ...jim

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    • #32
      I heard on the news tonight that Airbus has presold 149 of those monsters. Mostly for China/North America routes. Incidentally, Vancouver International already has the runways and gates to accomodate them. They had the foresight to build 200ft wide runways in the latest expansion unlike most of Europe and the US which has only 150ft wide runways, not wide enough.

      [This message has been edited by Evan (edited 01-19-2005).]
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      • #33
        <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Evan:
        Incidentally, Vancouver International already has the runways and gates to accomodate them. They had the foresight to build 200ft wide runways in the latest expansion unlike most of Europe and the US which has only 150ft wide runways, not wide enough.
        </font>
        You know, the reason why that airplane looks so stubby was because they tried to design it to work with most airport infrastructure within reason. The tail moment on that airplane is very short, shorter than ideal.

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        • #34
          I used to make parts for these things for about twenty years. Contraptions they are its amazing they fly. I prefer to stay the hell out of them after one trip i had years ago. Give me a piper super cub on floats and I feel safer.

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          • #35
            The absolute shame is even though it is a huge plane,it will be outfitted with seats from a Ford Festiva $600 for a f---ing ticket and I am folded up like a letter for 6 hours.No thanks,I'll take the train.
            I just need one more tool,just one!

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            • #36
              BillH,

              The AirBus is fly by wire so short coupled makes no difference. I noticed that UPS and FedX are buying ten each in a three deck cargo config.
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              • #37
                Evan, I think that is probably the future of the airframe in the US/Canada & Europe to a large degree. I have a feeling the insurance carriers are not espicially pleased with this plane. When one crashes (and one will I am sorry to say) the fall out will be brutal. Actaully for carge I am suprised that Brown and Fed/Ex aren't buying Anatov's
                Forty plus years and I still have ten toes, ten fingers and both eyes. I must be doing something right.

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                • #38
                  The Antonov has a much higher cost of operation per ton-mile.
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                  • #39
                    Those Ruskie engines need rebuilds much sooner.

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                    • #40
                      As for me, I'll stick with Boeing.

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                      • #41

                        They really should add more rudder surface and authority because that tall fuselage is just begging for some knife edge flight.

                        -3Ph

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                        • #42
                          500 Passengers what are you talking about.

                          On my last flight to Europe and return on Lufthansa also some kind of Airbus, they paket us so tightly I swear the must have gotten a 1000 of us into that Plane. Old Brunswick Sardine technology pure and simple.

                          <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sch:
                          The 380 is not going to be used much inside
                          the US. There are very few routes that
                          need 500 passenger haulouts at a time. Not
                          that there aren't any but most are too short
                          a haul for a behemoth like that. It will
                          wipe out the 747 in the mid and fareast
                          where they load up huge planeloads and fly
                          to Europe and US. The demand for this
                          monster will be for intercontinental and
                          transoceanic flights. Steve
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                          • #43
                            ...and for you jumpers, there's only two things that fall from the sky

                            bird**** and fools

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                            • #44
                              Ha! Ha! The new "Boeing" dreamliner will have the load bearing parts built in China & Japan, software in India & stress analysis in Russia. Oh,& the crew & mechs will all be under constant pressure to work more hours for less money. Do you suppose that will lead to safety & reliabilty? I drive when I can & yeah , I'll take a train too. Too bad! We invented the industry, but the folks running things seem to have a death wish.

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                              • #45
                                <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by scooter:
                                ...and for you jumpers, there's only two things that fall from the sky

                                bird**** and fools
                                </font>

                                You know it! Falling really is for bird**** and fools. Real jumpers fly.

                                -3Ph

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